Zodiac

Ancsur2002 · Post by **Ancsur2002** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:23

Ok, so here's the topic, feel free to write about your sign, or any other, whether you like it or not, agree with the whole thing or not.
Oh yes, and maybe dragons should get a place here too

Post by **Chroelle** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 16:52

Well as I've said somewhere else I'm a virgo (Virgin) and a horse (horsey)...

I tend to agree with the whole virgo-traits. They are neat, nice and so on, but there are definently some things that could fit any zodiac.

I don't know much about the chinese signs, so I won't get into that.

Of course it is always tough to be a boy and be a virgo, but hey I got over it, and it doesn't make a big difference in my life what I am.

Ancsur2002 · Post by **Ancsur2002** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 22:32

The two extremes of the virgo are the angel and the whore...
It deals well with practical knowledge and its main role is to create order in the world

nice

Anyway, I think I have a fun article I have just found... I just have to translate it...

Sentences after sex sorted by zodiacal signs:

Aries: Ok, let's do it again!
Taurus: I think I am hungry... where's the pizza?
Gemini: Have you seen the remote control somewhere?
Cancer: What did you say, when will we get married?
Leo: I was soooo fantastic wasn't I?
Virgo: Now I have to go and wash the sheets
Libra: I enjoyed it because you enjoyed it.
Scorpio: Umm... should I take off your handcuffs now?
Sagittarius: Don't call me, I will call you.
Capricorn: Don't you have a calling card?
Aquarius: Ok, now we will do it without clothes.
Pisces: What did you say, what was your name again?

no offense for anyone if this does not apply

Dizi · Post by **Dizi** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 13:45

ohh dear Ancsur2002, I'm a leo and my boyfriend is an aries so it must be true that I am soooo fantastic

Anyway I have no realy traits of a leo but my boyfriend is a typical aries.

Prideth · Post by **Prideth** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 14:20

I'm a pisces, but don't really believe much in zodiac predictions. Have read some books on it and sort of fit the personality traits, but when a 12th of the world is supposed to as well, I can't take it seriously.

Four well known fellow OGers are the same sign as me, and the online personalities we all display are totally different from each other. That sort of tells me the zodiac stuff is good for a bit of fun, but not for taking to heart.

Zandrav Ibistenn · Post by **Zandrav Ibistenn** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 20:10

What is this ancient superstition doing in here?

Please, zodiacs...

If somebody suggested that your personal future could be analyzed by looking at a random pattern of crums on a table or the clouds on the sky, you wouldn't believe that person, would you? What's different concerning the stellar bodies? The very idea that huge masses other places in the universe are performing a play reflecting the future of our petty afairs, is utterly ludicrous!

To quote Richard Dawkins (in this enjoyable article of his ): "Scorpio could go retrograde up Uranus and it wouldn't make any difference."

The display of zodiacs in the profiles on this board is an offence to reason!

Post by **Chroelle** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 21:04

Well, lets just say that the Chinese ones for sure will not be in CWF vers 1.01

I'm not sure if the other Zodiacs (European???) will. That depends on what mod makes them available.

But I agree to some point on your post. I find Zodiacs amusing, but not much more than that. It's fun to read your horoscope and see what they think your day will bring. Generally for me it's cleaning or something about finally understanding a co-workers feelings for me.

Not to sound sexist or anything but I think that Zodiacs appeal more to women than to men. Feel free to argue with this. It is only a presumption.

Prideth · Post by **Prideth** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:31

Thats a shame actually. While the zodiacs aren't to be taken serious, they are a bit of fun, and it is interesting to see what other members are.

I'll miss them if they do disappear.

Post by **Chroelle** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:25

Thanks for backing up my statement Pridy.

Prideth · Post by **Prideth** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 13:37

Well, what else would you expect from a sensitive, sooky female Piscean

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Zandrav Ibistenn · Post by **Zandrav Ibistenn** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 13:43

You really ought to read the article I recommended: The Real Romance in the Stars

It puzzles me why people bother to read astrological "predictions" written so vague and ambiguous, that they could mean anything. Searching for a pattern, the mind then, confused with the amguity, assign to much importance to any positive match concerning the astrological "predictions".
I can see how this is silly, not how it's supposed to be fun.

Why don't you go down on the streets and pay a homeless person to tell you about your future instead? - His guesses can be as good as any professional charlatan (i.e. astrologer's)

In my previous post I also meant to say that this topic doesn't belong in the science/philosophy forum. (Besides calling this forum "the oracle" is also inappropriate, because the oracle just answered questions (albeit vaguely) under the influence of hallucinogenic substances. There was no debate, no discourse, no supporting with evidence - i.e. no science, no philosophy (which are what this board is about) - a better name would be "The Academy"

).

@Prideth: Why is it interesting to see what other members' zodiacs are? (When it is at the same time not to be taken seriously (=it's unimportant)). Would it similarly be interesting to know if a member had a congenital deformity?

Prideth · Post by **Prideth** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 14:15

Geez, sorry I spoke.

I didn't realise everything posted in here is expected to be doom and gloom serious. Won't happen again.

Zandrav Ibistenn · Post by **Zandrav Ibistenn** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 15:13

Prideth wrote:I didn't realise everything posted in here is expected to be doom and gloom serious.

It isn't, but opinions must be substantiated to some extent. That's the simple distinction with this board and "the marketplace".

That means that personal accounts of ghost stories are unacceptable, but an inquiry into what makes people believe in ghosts is welcome.

Post by **Chroelle** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 15:41

It seems to me that regarding ghost stories the two matters are intertwined. People rarely talk about ghosts and wether they believe in them without attaching some sort of ghost sighting to their post.
If you read the threads regarding supernaturality and ghosts on OG then you will see that there are plenty of sightings within the thread.
I don't mean to say that I believe them, just that they are their (posts not ghosts).
So if we have a topic about Zodiacs then I think it is only good for debatting that there are people who actually believe in them. Otherwise it would just be a debate going like this:

Author: Do you believe in Zodiacs?
Mebmer1: No
Member2: No they are foolish
Member3: I agree
Member4: What the other three said.

So lets agree that there is a need for two people at least (with different oppinions) to have a debate (as the opposite of a monologue).

I agree with you that the Oracle should have some sort of (personal)deeper thought into subjects, but as I said for example:

But I agree to some point on your post. I find Zodiacs amusing, but not much more than that. It's fun to read your horoscope and see what they think your day will bring

The leading words in this being THEY THINK. I don't find horoscopes useful as such. You said silly (in my book silly is fun). If Pridy believe in them and find them useful/fun/silly then I think thats fine. Like other people find fun useless as it is not productive, I find it to be very useful as it lightens up my day.

(Just to make sure - I am not being agressive here Zandrav. I simply explain my thoughts.)

Regarding the name of the forum...I don't know. Maybe the Oracles waiting room

Zandrav Ibistenn · Post by **Zandrav Ibistenn** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 0:16

I going to recommend Dawkins' article again, since you apparently haven't read it. And I'll do it again and again until you and everyone else "soft-on-zodiacs" have taken the time to do so.

Chroelle wrote:If you read the threads regarding supernaturality and ghosts on OG then you will see that there are plenty of sightings within the thread.

I think I noticed that one and made a reply on page 3.
Link: superstitious babbling
But no - people in dedicated ghost story threads don't investigate their own reasons to invent these stories (that would probably be embarrassing). I think the cause lies with a very simple psychological mechanism: that it is much easier to blame some incorporeal entity, than it is to admit that it's just you, who are afraid...

Chroelle wrote:(Just to make sure - I am not being agressive here Zandrav. I simply explain my thoughts.)

I'm not offended. It's just that I think that every superstitious idea is poisonous to the mind, and therefore I take every opportunity to crush them when I see them surface.

Quoting Dawkins: "Astrology is neither harmless nor fun, and we should see it as the enemy of truth".
and Voltaire: "Superstition sets the whole world in flames; philosophy quenches them".

mistergreen77 · Post by **mistergreen77** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 13:47

I agree with Zandrav on this. Whilst we may see them as silly or fun there are lots of people who take them seriously. People pay money to astrologers and clairvoyants who fraudulently claim to be able to see the future. This would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. Real damage can be done when charlatans pretending to see the future offer advice to people to people faced with life changing decisions.

Prideth · Post by **Prideth** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 15:28

If people are stupid enough to pay money for these services, then they have no-one to blame but themselves. That is the same as blaming the casino because a few people don't know when to stop gambling.

I've never payed money for this stuff, and never will. I know it is a load of rubbish and don't take what is said seriously. If others do, that is their choice and business. Being gullible isn't a crime.

I consider my interest in zodiacs and the paranormal as just a hobby. Have a bookcase full of books on witches, unexplained mysteries, ghosts, clairvoyants ect, and treat them much the same as watching cartoons. I know it isn't real, but enjoy the experience.

Pitkin · Post by **Pitkin** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 17:33

I read horoscopes just for the same reason I watch comedy series. Fawlty Towers controls my every day duties, and I decide my human relations after consulting On the Buses.

Sorry spam. I'll never be of the mental capability to actually write in this forum. Nor of the attitude.

mistergreen77 · Post by **mistergreen77** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:40

"If people are stupid enough to pay money for these services, then they have no-one to blame but themselves."

It is wrong to exploit people simply because they are stupid or uneducated. It is wrong to take advantage of people just because they don't know better.

"Being gullible isn't a crime."

True, but exploiting the gullible is a crime. Astrologists and the like prey on the people who can least afford it. Outlawing them would probably just lend them credibility - but their services should come with public warnings, same as they put up in gambling venues or on cigarette packets. I might even suggest our governments should consider ban on advertising such services.

Prideth · Post by **Prideth** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:32

Thing is though, some people honestly believe they have these "powers", and other people honestly believe they can can talk to long dead relatives this way. It gives them comfort and peace. It is their money and if they want to spend it this way, who are we to tell them they can't?

Religion falls into exactly this same group. I believe they are just peddlers of myths and legends, using fear of their imaginary being(s) to keep gullible followers docile and handing the dollars over. Maybe there should be a warning sign in front of all houses of worship too.

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